The feeling is mutual I assure you. If you think all feminism is doing is voicing opinions you haven’t been paying the fuck attention.
Yea… I mean, everyone’s guilty of trying to flatter their audience once in a while, but again, people forget that Fan Service in anime means a lot of ridiculous up-skirt shots, boob jiggling, and “OH NO MY CLEAVAGE HAS BECOME EXPOSED…”
The fact that there’s any doubt at all on if most “examples” are pandering or not pretty much settles it as a “no” IMHO.
The writers are going to try to appeal to their audience, and that’s not bad.
Pandas and fans are a much bigger problem that we really don’t have in MLP.
That’s not the whole definition of fanservice.
I recently watched one of those animes that was all about the gratuitous sexualization type of fanservice. That aspect of it honestly was distracting and hurt the immersion of the show. It had surprisingly good voice acting but isn’t going to make it on any of my “best of” lists any time soon.
Fanservice is anything that the fans like that isn’t strictly necessary for the media work to exist.
- There’s fanservice where the show has a fantastic soundtrack (Cowboy Bebop),
- fanservice where the background scenery is absolutely stunning and beautiful (also called “scenery porn”) (I’d put DotHack://Sign here based on what I remember of it),
- fanservice where they actually have good filler and character development episodes (the DBZ filler where Goku and Piccolo have to get their driver’s license),
- fanservice where they have impressively extravagant animation (Kill La Kill or the Evangelion Remake),
- fanservice where they have an absurdly detailed background world you could get lost in all on it’s own (the Fate series, Lord of the Rings), and many more types besides.
To be honest, I don’t call any of that list fan service… I call that making a good show.
I get what you’re saying, but I don’t entirely agree with referring to the elements of good production as fan service, as if they wouldn’t bother making the effort otherwise…
I do get that not all fan service is bad though… I suppose the distinction I’d make is that Fan Service is simply doing what the audience loves, and Fan Pandering is the negative type where you’re flattering the audience for the sake of ratings, and it’s detracting from the overall quality of the show.
Those are quality of life improvements. Polish. Things that don’t have to be there for the story to get across. Things that show that the ones working on the product actually care.
I’ll also add that not all sexual fanservice is bad. Think about why most famous actors in hollywood are people who are more attractive than usual. That’s a form of sexual fanservice. Even if they’re supposed to be an average person, “hollywood average” is very different than normal people’s average.
I’ll say that fan service only becomes a negative thing if it takes away from the show’s integrity. Say, a show that used to be about a plot shifting focus to being all about attractive characters showing off their body.
If a show is oriented entirely or mostly around nudity or sex (like the many loud female fans of Spartacus implied to me when Manu Bennett spoke at a panel at a convention I was at a while ago), then I’m not sure if it was aiming to be a classic story experience in the first place, so it’s hard to make the argument that fanservice destroyed it if there wasn’t a huge amount of non-fanservice content there to begin with.
Okay I have to ask, does anyone else just not buy the Whole Superman vs Batman thing in a fist to fist match. First of all Im a WAAAAAAAAAYYYYY bigger Batman fan than I am a Superman fan but honestly whenever they have this thing of “They’re gonna fight” I dont buy it. Ive read some Superman comics recently I got from my buddy and ive seen he can fly to the sun in back in less than 2 minutes, LIFT A FUCKIN PLANET, and has a super intelligent brain which lets him process information in seconds. Again I love Batman to death and I know people always say he wins because he has a contingency plan, kryptonite, he’s smarter, Superman doesnt have the balls, he’s Batman, Dark Knight Returns 2, etc etc but honestly if Supes was to get serious And Batman was reaching for the kryptonite in his utility belt, It be like that Quicksilver scene in X-men Days of Future’s past. He’d be in slow motion and supes couldve already ripped the belt off, thrown it into space and karate chop to the neck, DONE. That being said, that trailer still got me hyped for the movie lol
edviperisghey said: The secret to DC fights is this: If prep time is allowed, Batman always wins. If the fight is impromptu, Superman wins.
edviperisghey has it right. Also, from what I recall, Batman would have to bet on Superman’s personality characteristic of trying to save people and not wanting to become a killer right away.
>Superman lifts a planet
This makes no sense at all. I get that he’s supposed to be a god, but the physics of this needs to have a LOT of qualifiers attached in order for it to be even remotely maintain my willing suspension of disbelief. Normally, when I come to superpowers, I look at them as ways to get around or ignore specific laws of physics. Lifting / moving a planet needs to involve a LOT of associated physics with it in order to make any sense.
9 minutes 7 seconds in and the ending, All superman’s abilities then tell me if you still think the same
I still say that moving a planet around is BS. At least if you want it to remain habitable and not cause massive damage and destabilize it’s orbit.
Give Superman full access to all of his BS abilities (and, more importantly, remove his personality restraints that keep him trying to act like a boy scout paragon and avoid killing), then the only possible chance Batman has is to ambush Superman when he’s busy doing his normal superhero thing with kryptonite gas or something. Or maybe use whatever outright magic stuff he has in his bat-vault.
If they start the fight in some kind of arena, no matter how large, both knowing that their goal is to kill the other, then I completely agree that all odds are stacked absurdly in Superman’s favour. Worst case scenario, he just has to laser-eye batman from a distance or throw something at him.
The place where I have my problem with this is that the required setup for this scenario removes Superman from any kind of willing suspension of disbelief I have for him. He’s an obvious Marty Stu who has gone all the way to being a boring invincible hero. One of the most absurdly overpowered characters in all of fiction, given all the stories and different authors that have had their way with him over the years. He could only be more blatantly overpowered if he was an outright reality warper.